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RTL status for Libre Office 4.0.0

LibreOffice 4.0.0 will be released soon, and it’s a good time to summarize its RTL status. Similar to 3.5.0, the RTL work started with LibreOffice conference in October, showing the current state (see LibreOffice RTL status 2012 presentation) and listing the top problems. The main goal of this talk is to raise awareness to RTL issues and recruit developer to help fix them. This was exactly what happened with fdo#44657 which is about Calc not having a scroll bar in RTL user interface. This way RTL bug #1 for almost a year.

In total, version 4.0.0 has 8 bugs fixed (mainly Calc, Presenter Console and toolbars). In addition it has 5 language specific bugs fixed. Full lists are at https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/RTL_Bugs#4.0.0 and https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/RTL_Bugs#4.0.0_2. Beside working on fixing bugs for the 4.0.0, another focus was put on making sure the fixes are available for the 3.6.x users. This resulted with cherry picking 11 out of 13 bug fixes (part of 3.6.4 and 3.6.5 releases). More fixes are already underway in the master branch, and will also be part of 4.0.1 maintenance release (full list at https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/RTL_Bugs#4.0.1).

Beside thanking the core developers  for their help (patches, code review), I’d like to thank the guys from The National Program for Free and Open Source Software Technologies (Motah) at King Abdulaziz City for Science and Technology (KACST) in Saudi Arabia, which have joined the RTL team during this release, and their effect is well noticed.

Despite all the work done, we still have a share of RTL bugs for the next release, these are the 7 top priority RTL bugs, any help would be appreciated.

  1. fdo#33302 Brackets inverted in rtl text (mac only)
  2. fdo#53030 Calc deletes current sheet, not right-clicked on sheet when trying to delete opposite directionality sheets
  3. fdo#56403 RTL UI: with RTL locales presentations appear with text align to the right instead of to the left
  4. fdo#37128 Writer saves text alignment of RTL paragraph not according to the ODF specification
  5. fdo#44029 docx files with RTL paragraphs aren’t compatible with Word
  6. fdo#43093 FILEOPEN: [docx] MS Office documents opens with wrong alignment and directionality
  7. fdo#56408 Brackets are not handled correctly with mixed English/Latin and Hebrew/Arabic texts
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LibreOffice conference and motivation

Last week, just before the branching of 3.6.4 was the peak of my recent work in LibreOffice. The motivation from attending the conference and working with others lasted long for me with the help of a few collaborations done since (thanks Caolan and Eike). My own patches were approved just in time to make it to the 3-6 branch, which, along other fixes, pretty much makes 3.6.4 a better release to the RTL users in general, and Hebrew users specifically. Things aren’t perfect, but they’re improving nicely (on going status is at RTL bugs wiki page).

I’m also very happy that most RTL related fixes since the conference have been cherry-picked from master to 3-6 branch, so the users won’t have to wait till February for the 4.0 release. Last year I had to wait till the 3.5 release to see some of my work fruits, now I can see them in much shorter intervals.

The motivation and involvement go hand in hand, each enhances the other for me. I’ve started reviewing patches sent for RTL bugs to verify the suggested fixes with private builds and marking bugs as verified when the patches do get accepted. Compering to a month ago, I’m now busy with helping the developers do their part instead of “just” reporting problems. Seeing things go forward (and helping them do so) is much more motivating than waiting for someone to pick the bug report and try solve it.

I hope having fast response to their code changes is also motivating for the developers, in that case everyone enjoys the collaboration.

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How I got an extra value from my flight ticket to libreoffice 2011

Miklos published about his “LibreOffice RTF import Drawing Objects improvements” which was done to fix my report (fdo#42407). As an anecdote I want to mention that he test document was my flight ticket to the LibreOffice conference in 2011.

So I feel I got an extra value from attending the conference in the form of having a this RTF compatibility implemented. In addition, Miklos fixed an import problem with Hebrew with these old documents (fdo#56512) – double value. Miklos – I owe you a drink (:

I’m not sure if I should thank the traveling company for working with such old software which produced the old formatted RTF files, but in any case, it turned out to be a good thing.

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LibreOffice conference 2012 (day 2)

I’ve started the morning with the easy hacks for non developers talks, which for my opinion lacked some code related tasks that even non developers can do like fixing translation problems in the source (in the English strings), fixing some simple logic bugs which doesn’t require reading complex code (e.g. traversing records and first/last special cases). The other options mentioned in the talk aren’t less important, but I think people shouldn’t be afraid reading/touching the code to some level even with very limited coding skills.

Later I’ve used Rene’s 3.7/master builds for Debian to verify two RTL bugs (fdo#43210, fdo#44925) fixed by the Motah guys from Saudi Arabia. After the verification, I pushed the changes to the 3.6 branch (should appear in 3.6.4).

Katya, which I’ve met in the last conference, told me see watched my talked remotely, and took interest in RTL ui forcing right alignment to non aligned text. While reproducing the bug on her computer we were able to narrow the problem a bit, to be related to the locale and not only to the RTL interface. Till the end of the day she’d identified the problem in the odp file and I hope a fix will be available by tomorrow.

Jan (kendy) had a good progress with fdo#44657 (RTL problem #1). Checking the fix is quite confusing, and we had to use two laptops to understand and compare the right and desired behavior. Hopefully this problem will end soon, which will make coming to the conference worthwhile (as for the RTL status and efforts).

Later I started working on moving the RTL status page from a wiki in Hebrew to the TDF wiki RTL Bugs page in English . By this I hope to get more visibility to the current status, and as a base to collaboration, let others help with RTL more easily.

During one of the breaks I heard Lionel encourages someone to do builds on his own, and I decided that after avoiding this tasks for two years, it’s about time. By the evening I got a build running according to the native build guide in the wiki (which took half the night on my laptop). There are still a few things to learn how to do with this build, but I how to now be more active in testing things without waiting for official Debian builds (which are quite hard when Debian is frozen). Thanks to Lionel for the encouragement.

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LibreOffice conference 2012 (day 1)

Most of the day before the conference, and the conference morning spent working and finalizing my RTL status presentation. My apologies to the lecturers whose lectures I attend only physically (sorry, I can’t split my attention too well).

To my disappointment I had very few attendees in the talk, but I can understand the competition, as the other parallel talks were quite interesting. In at least one of them I wished to attend my self (if I could only be in two places in the same time…). Maybe next year we should have less parallel talks (4 tacks is a lot).

To still push some of the RTL issues, I’ve done a private talk over RTL issues for Caolan and Jan (kendy), which was interesting with some feedback. Jan took fdo#44657 on himself, and by the evening he showed me a great improvement in the status of things, so at least there’s horizontal scrolling in Calc with RTL interface.

With the help of Rene, I got master builds for Debian, and would spend the rest of the conference to check some bugs with it.

During the evening dinner and social event I wanted to thank Miklos personally for really improving the RTF support for RTL and Hebrew documents, and he showed me a few of the new stuff he’d done in master/3.7. While working I’ve noticed a few regressions, and I’m glad they were caught early.

Cedric told me that after last years talk, he started to check his features also in RTL interface, which for me was the best feedback on my efforts. Having developers keeping RTL in mind (even only nce in a while) saves a lot of trouble along the road. I would prefer to check and double check features while they’re being created instead of trying to get bugs fixed later on the release process.

Another thing which I enjoyed noticing is the “fresh blood” the GSoC project brings to LibreOffice. I’ve met with Miklos and Eilidh and got impressed with how a successful internship was used as a springboard into a good job. As there almost aren’t any Israelis who take part in GSoC, I’m not used to notice the effect closely.

The event dinner and mingling was very successful for me, I’ve got a chance to talk with old friends and meet some of the new attendees (and even get some technical work done by talking with people)… Thanks again for the organizational team.

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Taking a vacation from open source

In the last 6 months I’ve devoted a lot of time to the open source projects I’m part of.  I decided to take a vacation from most of the open source stuff I do. This is mainly to balance things better and make sure I don’t feel burnt out. I’m not disappearing completely, but rather shifting into a lower gear and focus on the things I enjoy most regarding open source.

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RTL status for Libre Office 3.5.0

As LibreOffice is approaching its final 3.5.0 release, I’d like to sum up the RTL status for RC1.

So far, 6 RTL related bugs were resolved in the 3.5 cycle (#32530, #34222, #40950, #43790#43793, #44078), and a few minor issues reported directly to the developer’s mailing list got quick responses. Most importantly, the new features of page break and header/footer not only support RTL but actually looks good. During the LibreOffice conference I was suggested to help with these features, providing feedback, and I’m glade the needed attention was given to it.

Besides that, a few l10n and translation issues were solved in the process of doing the Hebrew translation (which also reflects on other RTL languages). At a few cases, these issue because a general l10n issues which affects all the languages.

In general, I found the core developers responsive to mails about RTL support. I’m sure the talk about RTL problems during the conference helped, as well as being more active in the project and having more personal acquaintance with the developers.

That’s being said, RTL support for LibreOffice still has problems, which I hope will be pushed during the 3.5.x cycles (full list at Bug 43808, the rtl meta bug). As to get some focus regarding was is to be done, I’m listing the top problems:

  1. #44657 – RTL UI: Horizontal scrollbar in calc main window is broken
  2. #33302 – brackets inverted in rtl text (mac only)
  3. #37692 – RTL list numbering reverses its direction
  4. #42070 RTL support in broken in presenter Console extension
  5. #32531 Incorrect cursor key movement between table cells of different directionality
  6. #104515 RTL UI: moving active embedded object to the left moves it to the right (reported for OO.org, but verified in LibO)
  7. #37128 Writer saves text alignment of RTL paragraph not according to the ODF specification

I hoped to have the first two done for 3.5.0, but didn’t succeed in getting them fixed. Will keep trying…

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